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    ‘Some of the most charitable people on earth’ (citation needed) are massive genocidal adult children. They overwhelmingly supported invading Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Korea, Palestine. They even venerate people who participate in those actions as soldiers, i.e. in the most direct way possible.

    These people are not ‘misguided’. They are bloodthirsty monsters who deny their crimes.

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            They are the most caring and generous person I know

            So, they are nice to you and their friends, so that means it’s okay for them to get rich off of heinous exploitation of most of the world and colonialism. Got it.
            So very ‘charitable’. /s

            He never pays taxes because he donates all he can afford

            So, he uses the system set up for them to pay less in taxes than the people they exploit. And to use that system, they just pay to charities that are useless for anything other than their own PR and what is effectively legalised tax fraud.

            He rents homes at a loss for families

            Even if we are to believe this and that he is not immiserating his tenants, he still doesn’t live at a loss in general, meaning that he is making the rest of society poorer.
            And that’s even ignoring his relations to labour and to the means of production.

            He turns dilapidated schools into affordable elderly apartments

            So, he is destroying schools and children’s access to education so that some wealthy rich people could get yet more housing for themselves?

            You have not investigated these matters much.

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                Nope. They are kind to strangers and showed how to be a good person

                Okay, stop. You keep pretending as if being nice in personal interactions somehow overrides stuff like being a capitalist and living off of exploitation of billions.

                Always supportive of social programs

                Like destroying schools.

                Social programs under capitalism are a bandaid. Actual implementations of stuff like guaranteed housing require extremely rich people like him to not exist.

                They. Would help.

                Okay, how many homes have they given to the homeless for free and with no strings attached?

                He employed thousands of people in my dying coal region in storage warehousing

                And?

                Might not have paid super well but for the region

                So, he is extremely rich, and decides to underpay those people by utilising their desperation. And you say that this person is your friend.

                He would give homes to the churches of multiple denominations

                That’s bad. I hope you understand why giving homes to organisations that have a history of supporting and participating in colonialism, slavery, genocide, general infliction of harm to people, especially LGBT people, women, and non-white people because the fiction they believe in supposedly dictates so is bad.
                Going to note that he did not give those homes to the people who actually needed that.

                No the cities closed the schools because they out grew them

                ‘Outgrew’ them how? Did children stop being born there?

                Going to also note that you are yet to address how it is okay for him to live off of colonial and capitalist exploitation of billions.

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                    He used his football skills to go to an Ivy League school

                    HAHAHAHA.
                    Why the f are football skills even valued for admissions to universities in the US? What relation do they have to academic efforts?
                    Nonsensical society of bloodthirsty monsters.

                    Also, not sure how that is relevant to this ‘friend’ of yours supposedly being good.

                    He saw all these old industries collapsing. Bought their old buildings and turned them into a data storage company. Started with microfilm storage up to digital management in the 00’s

                    Not seeing anything that would paint him in a good light here.

                    Never really asked for much back

                    ‘This rich person never asked for much back when raking up massive profits’.

                    because he made a living in an honest way

                    You are contradicting yourself. You just said that he owned companies, but now you are saying that he made a living ‘in an honest way’.

                    He was a stand up dude

                    You are contradicting yourself again. You previously said that he owned companies and used other people’s labour for his own gain.

                    Dude persevered through that traged

                    Ah yes, the ‘tragedy’ of becoming slightly less rich.

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                    Dude I wouldn’t say dudes a good dude if he wasn’t

                    Well, he is literally underpaying his workers because he knows he can get away with that due to their desperation, and his lifestyle is built upon immiseration of billions, and yet, you do claim that he is somehow good.

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                    He helps black families in a region where the Klan used to run people out of the Appalachia’s. He employed hundreds of minority individuals and made many VP’s of his company before DEI was a thing

                    You do realise that what you are saying is that he doesn’t even do the minimum of what the ruling class (which includes extremely rich people like him) is supposedly expected to do (provide people with employment, housing, healthcare, etc.) but that he is somehow good.
                    Like, if this was the extent of a government’s effort, would that be acceptable? Why is this acceptable of the people who hold economies of the world in a chokehold?

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            Also, ask that friend of yours if he thinks that Pissrael should exist or not.
            Chances are, they are in favour of Pissrael’s continued existence, which means support for the genocide efforts past, present, and future, no return of homes and land from Pissraeli settler-colonists to the Palestinian families that they were stolen from, and no justice in this regard in general.

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                    Firstly, I will ask again, are you saying that he never supported Pissrael, or that he has been doing so but not ‘blindly’? You seem to be very eager to avoid clarifying that.

                    He literally had Arabic University Administrators as close personal friends

                    So what? This reads like the classic ‘I can’t be racist, I have a black friend’ kind of nonsense.

                    We are bland and peaceful people. We don’t even go to war for our own country because of our religious beliefs

                    You are fine enjoying the fruits of colonial conquest and exploitation, though.

                    But I’m a pacifist as is most of my family

                    So, what you are saying is that you would not be fine standing up to your empire’s colonialism, and that you just want to enjoy the subjugation of poor people and foreigners in peace?
                    Is there anything good to your ‘pacifism’ other than not joining your genocidal military, which is the bare minimum that should be expected of a decent human being?