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Yeah… Call me in 4 years when they vote republican again because it’s not trump on the ballot and something something evil Democrats. I’d bet the same people saying this in 2025 were saying something similar when trump caused the COVID crash by doing fuck all to prevent the spread.
You’re right because the media has been captured by the right wing. And already to vote for Trump or believe in Elon means there’s something peasant brain about you.
I’ll believe they’ll vote Dem when I see it. Trump was a fuck up before he was president and a terrible businessman. He was a fuck up when he was president and got hundreds of thousands of people killed unnecessarily because of his narcissism. He very plainly showed who he was in his words and actions. People still voted for him THREE TIMES.
They’ll fucking check the box for him or any other R next time because god forbid they take responsibility or self reflect at all for electing that shit stain.
I mean yeah, on one hand wtf did he expect? Of course Trump was going to do stupid shit. The man is incredibly stupid.
On the other hand, Trump is also very cruel and this is incredibly important. It’s not funny.
Every Republican that turns against him makes the insane ideas a little less likely to go through. Less likely to try for a 3rd term, less likely to commit fully to the El Salvador concentration camp ambitions, less likely to disappear as many American citizens without trial, less likely to do a bunch of truly horribly gruesome and catastrophic shit.
You won’t win by mocking them for joining you. You’re being more stupid than you can afford to be in these circumstances.
But also, fuck these people. Didn’t matter that innocent citizens with no charges are getting black bagged and tossed in cells. Didn’t matter families were getting ripped apart and deported. Didn’t matter that the bigotry against trans people has ramped up to being codified in congressional fucking rules levels. No it took an economic nightmare scenario personally affecting the livelihoods of these people for them to wake up AT ALL. Like fine, welcome to the fucking real world. You’re still a piece of shit in my eyes now start making better fucking choices, moron.
I really want to believe this.
But we have watched Donald Trump do so much stupid, evil shit in real time and we still ended up here.
There is only a small minority of people voted for Trump because of prices. They did it because they hate that the world is not constructed for them to be on top. They hate that there are three transgender high school athletes in the state. They hate that Harriet Tubman is on the twenty dollar bill. They hate that the Brown MnM is less sexy. They hate that they couldn’t get a date in high school. I do not trust self-interest will prevail over blind, stupid hate after we have witnessed it not for so long.
If seeing people deported to extraterritorial prisons without due process, the only evidence of their crime being Donald Trump says so, is not enough to get these people on side, but their retirement portfolio getting fucked with is, I have no faith in them.
What you’re missing is that the majority of his supporters don’t even know about the bad things because their news bubble hides it from them or they don’t care because it doesn’t affect them directly.
My mom and uncle never, ever hear anything he does framed negatively.
They spin it all day, every day.
My uncle has at least been trying to vary where he gets his news, but Facebook makes sure to enrage him with something about condoms for Gaza or some equally stupid shit.
Bunch of people around here are out-right admitting they didn’t really pay any attention to what anyone running was saying. They heard trump say he would bring down prices/kick out immigrants/guns/no abortion/whatever single issue, and just checked the box. The manufacturing workers here are especially loud about how they feel deceived because they didn’t listen to anything he actually said, or just didn’t know what tariffs are, like at all.
Will any of them vote otherwise next time? I guess we will see. Bunch of them are honestly holding to the “short term pain, long term greatness” cope.
“Wait, this affects me? That changes EVERYTHING!”
That’s what makes it even more awful. They’re so selfish.
Didn’t Trump tank the economy in 2019 with his fumbling of the COVID crisis? Didn’t everyone’s 401ks and private portfolios get tanked, leading to trillions in bailouts and a seismic shift in the composition of the labor market thanks to the 1.1M Americans killed by the epidemic? Didn’t we already have a Congo Line of Republicans insisting they’d never vote for Trump again? Didn’t we have billionaire CEOs lining up to condemn him? Kicking him off social media? Refusing to hire his administration’s staffers? Divorcing themselves from his businesses and denying the RNC money on his behalf?
I seem to remember something about this from back in 2020. Democrats winning in a landslide that was (numerically) larger (but delegate-wise smaller thanks to decades of unchecked gerrymandering/voter caging) than the historic 2008 landslide for Obama. Everyone coming into office on a mandate to Never Let This Happen Again. People chanting “Lock Him Up!” from left, right, and center. MAGA in full retreat. Fascism defeated. Honor and Integrity Restored To The White House.
Was that just me? Did anyone else remember something like that happening?
Now these same assholes are back whining about their 401ks getting chewed up and spat out again? Come the fuck on. I don’t believe you. You’re going to vote Republican the moment FOX News tells you how Woke the other side of the ballot is.
You’re not crazy. We’ve been witnessing a collective psychological phenomena as you’ve described. I’m sure psychology field has enough papers to write for more than a lifetime. People a century from now will be dissecting this period of history.
I remember him acting slowly on Covid because “he didn’t want to spook the stock market”, and then it tanked anyway because of his willful and criminal negligence in regards to Covid.
And then he knee jerked in the opposite direction and shut down everything everywhere instead of targeting where it was needed or just doing what epidemiologists had been suggesting from the beginning and concentrating on masks, testing, contact tracing, and quarantining. All of which caused a supply crunch and fed into inflation.
You have it all right except that Covid 19 happened in 2020 (at least outside of China and maybe a few early cruise ship cases?), not 2019
Correct it was mostly limited to China until early 2020 when the first cases started appearing outside of China but were quickly contained…until they weren’t
Just insane this is happening.
Um, this was a campaign promise. He promised to raise tariffs, and the natural reaction of the market to new tariffs is to drop. This isn’t surprising, this is expected, and Trump said as much.
If you didn’t want that, you shouldn’t have elected Trump. Simple as. I didn’t want that, so I didn’t vote for Trump. Simple as.
The knuckleheads all thought that the other countries would be paying the tariffs because they didn’t understand how tariffs work.
well, it’s been a quick and painful way to educate the American population on specific economic theories and topics
You don’t even need to get into economic theory, just tell them it’s a hidden sales tax, and that’s all they’ll need to know. Tariffs are pretty simple:
- product gets taxed when it comes into our country
- companies increase the price of goods to pay the tax
- products are more expensive for customers, because of that tax
They won’t see the tax when they buy stuff, but it’s still there, and it’s largely the same as if the fed government levied a nationwide sales tax, but it only applies to imports. Most US-made stuff relies on imported materials, so it even impacts them.
The Harris campaign literally did this, I want to say in a sideswipe during the debate. And Trump said nuh-uh, it’s not a tax, and the campaign more or less shut up about it, wasn’t a core feature of their advertising, stump speech, or debate strategy going forward, they opted for “save our institutions” and “he’s going to raise the ever nebulous cost of living” (which got lost in the Biden is responsible for bird flu egg prices noise from the other side). Can you imagine betting it all on courting Republican voters, and being so easily talked off of the “he’s going to tax you more” hill? I know hindsight is 20/20, but that’s some frustrating shit to think about
“Tariffs are a Trump tax” was a core message of the Harris campaign… (Trump really was planning to tariff the entire world 10% since last August!) The last months of the campaign befoee election day are a blur to me, but did Harris really drop that line after the debate? I really doubt it.
A few did. Many still don’t understand, and some are doing some pretty impressive mental gymnastics to make it sound like it’s Biden’s fault somehow.
Neither do Democrats or they would have used that information to win the election.
I find this baffeling. Multiple people, on different topics did disagree with his campaigns promises, and voted for him against their best interest. (Farmers for exemple) Their justification ? “He won’t do it”. Are you telling me you are voting for someone who promises to do things, in the hope that he does all the other things but the one that would negatively impact you ? REALLY ?!
But you see, America is the Greatest Country in the World™, and therefore anyone they elect as President can’t be that bad. It doesn’t matter if he repeatedly states how he absolutely will be that bad, he won’t actually do the things he says he’ll do because those things Can’t Happen Here.
I always assume politicians won’t keep the promises I like and will keep the promises I don’t. Generally speaking, I’ve been pretty right about that.
That said, Trump did these tariffs in his last term, so I don’t understand why anyone would think he wouldn’t do it again.
Common clay of the new west and so on
Couple of days ago there was a news item here in the Netherlands about a Dutch tulip grower. And his dad was wearing a MAGA hat. And this old man was saying that Trump was doing the right thing even though his business is negatively affected by Trump’s tariffs. Seriously, conservatives all have brain worms or something. Or they hate everyone else so much that they would gladly suffer to see other people get hurt.
Even if you expected some tariffs the degree and arbitrariness have exceeded almost every expectation. Charitably you could have assumed he meant he would implement tariffs in a way that makes some kind of sense, you know, warning well in advance so businesses can actually plan for them.
It’s kind of amazing the market hasn’t dropped even more now that the administration has revealed that it has no guard rails guiding Trump’s dementia fueled decisions and that he doesn’t give a fuck about wall street at all.
Yeah, Trump is a real estate guy, and I expect he has a relatively small allocation to stocks in his portfolio. So he probably doesn’t care all that much about Wall Street.
That said, he did give several warnings. He campaigned on a platform of across the board tariffs (I think he even mentioned his 10% figure), he tried doing tariffs at the start and backed off, and now he’s committing to them. So that’s several months of warning, not necessarily for the actual numbers, but for the general direction.
It absolutely is alarming though. But that’s kind of Trump’s MO, he holds his cards close, and is usually bluffing, but sometimes he actually takes action.
Anyone charitably assuming anything of him is either a complete fool or complicit. This is exactly what they voted for, whether they admit it or not.
Too late and zero sympathy for all the fucking MAGA voters.
I’m all in for Trump randomly deporting immigrant citizens, sending a mob at the capitol, breaking the lives of millions of the minorities and the poorest, being best friend with a pedophile, insulting our allies and threatening annexion of other coutries, but crashing The Market??? That’s not ok. He’s suppose to help ME make money by exploiting others, if I have to lose money it’s not fair!! ------- What a stupid broken evil country.
This country and a lot of the world has a me first mentality. A lot of people can look past some really fucked up shit if it’s not directly causing them harm.
This is pretty much what I get from that. Not a shred of empathy.
Sure, but a mindset change has to start somewhere. A wild thought, but maybe they’ll invest time, if only a little, in the other side and slowly but surely realize how screwed up they used to think?
That’s the conservative MO, in my experience. Don’t care until it personally affects them. That’s why they’ll beat their chests about the sanctity of marriage, but get divorced. Or talk about protecting life, until their mistress needs an abortion.
Even then, they don’t learn empathy. “Well my case is different” they say while on welfare
https://youtu.be/yTwpBLzxe4U - Craig T Nelson, ladies and gentlemen, formerly known as Coach.
The only moral abortion is my abortion.
Lack of empathy means an abundance of evil.
so many people literally either have no clue about what his actual policies are, are have been so indoctrinated by our shitty schooling that their view of the world is incredibly warped
I mean true but also even people who have a shred of empathy don’t always show it until they get a firsthand story. Partially human nature, but yes mostly dog shit moral philosophy giving them an excuse to not care about others.
“This shit is affecting me, ME!! He crossed a line I can’t follow him out”
“Numerous impeachments? That’s fine.
Convicted of numerous felonies? No that’s fine, lol.
Adjudicated rapist? That’s fine as well, she was probably asking for it, women amirite!!.
Six bankruptcies and multiple failed businesses, you say? Yeah that’s also fine because it was the other people and not him.
Proven record of scams, even on charities? No, that’s just good business.”
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“Wait, he’s messing with my money now? This is intolerable, this is disgusting. How unfair, oh woe is me!!!”Yeah, this guy’s not redeemed. The last and worst thing a MAGAt can do is take off their fucking red hat and put on a blue one like nothing they did happened.
Fuck that. Carve “MAGA” into this douche’s forehead and then he can rejoin sane society.
So you want to alienate everyone who might be interested in changing the outcome of the next election? Why so much gatekeeping?
Because the problem isn’t gone. Their opinions haven’t changed, they are just finally seeing personal impact from them. These people are going to fall for the same stupid shit another Trumpalike touts in 2032. They need intensive reeducation, not to be welcomed and treated like nothing happened.
They need intensive reeducation
That’s not going to happen.
Maybe this gatekeeping is why Trump won in the first place. The right approach, IMO, is to meet people where they are and convince them to join your side based on policies they support.
Harris should have been railing against tariffs, throwing Biden under the bus because he, too, continued and expanded tariffs. She should have explained the consequences for tariffs and why free trade is good for everyone. Conservatives like the idea of fewer restrictions, so appeal to that.
But no, she muttered something about “price gouging” with no real plan to fix it. She said she’d largely keep doing what Biden did, when people obviously wanted change. She didn’t even try to meet those concerns, her campaign was basically, “I’m not Trump,” which almost worked until she made it clear that she’s basically just Biden 2.0, but from a different demographic.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Court people based on common ground instead of purity tests.
She had a plan to fix the price gouging though. Fucking hell, I agree with the rest of your post but seeing people continue to lie about her campaign is so frustrating
Sort of? But “price gouging” isn’t the issue at all, the issue is inflation and lack of supply. If you limit how a company can charge for an in-demand product (say, eggs), there’s much less incentive to find more supply (say, imports from another country). It’s nonsensical.
But I don’t think that’s why she lost. I think she lost because she said in an interview that, given hindsight, she wouldn’t change anything if she were in power instead of Biden. That’s a giant slap in the face to the average voter who saw a ton of problems during his administration and want to see something change to address those problems.
Am I allowed to upvote all of you?
Nope, but I do accept fun memes, dealer’s choice.
It often takes a personal crisis to get people to doubt the cult/white supremacist group/multilevel marketing scheme they’ve been a part of for a long time
He’s not just friends with a pedo, court docs confirm he himself is a pedo.
Aren’t Americans responsible for their own retirement fund via various investment portfolios? Seeing your retirement money or college fund for your kids disappearing is bound to ruffle some feathers.
Yes, to an extent, though most don’t actually take that responsibility seriously.
We have Social Security, which will provide some amount of retirement based on how much you’ve put in, and it gives more weight to the first contributions (i.e. poorer people) than last contributions (i.e. wealthier people). Basically, it works like this (link w/ more details if you care:
- 90% of the first 1.2k/month taxable earnings
- 32% of the next ~$6k/month taxable earnings
- 15% of everything up to the cap
That’s not the amount of the benefit, but the amount of income considered for your benefit, and only for your top 35 years of earnings. This gets run through a calculation that determines your Social Security benefits. People who put in more get more, but people who put in less get a higher ratio of the amount they put in. It gets further complicated by marital status and whatnot.
The maximum Social Security benefit for someone starting taking it at 67 is $3,822/month, and the maximum for someone at 70 is $4,873 (data current for 2024). Your average retiree is probably seeing something closer to $2k/month though.
In other words, Social Security does exist, but you’ll want some of your own retirement savings as well for a more comfortable retirement.
Ofc Musk is trying to destroy social security as we speak
Maybe? This is the data I see so far (here’s a related NBC article if you don’t trust Newsweek). If the Trump admin pisses off old people, they’re going to be screwed in the midterms. It seems the main change will be to service, not benefits (so longer call wait times, slower website updates, etc). SS was given a 2.5% COLA update this year, so AFAICT benefits aren’t being cut at all.
From the NBC article:
According to a May report from the Office of the Inspector General, people were already experiencing prolonged wait times working with the SSA. The report noted that in-office appointments could be completely booked up for more than 40 days in the future and that it could take months for promised services to be delivered. The report said 65% of Social Security beneficiaries were unaware that there were online services for the agency.
That seems to be the main impact, not actual benefits.
Process counts as much as benefits. Difficulty making payments is a form of sabotage. Even delaying payments counts as a cut because some ppl will die before having received a payment they would have.
Why else would Musk be messing with SSA? “Efficiency” ? Why not take him at his word? A couple choice quotes from that article:
- “Most of the federal spending is entitlements,” Musk told the Fox Business Network. “That’s the big one to eliminate.”
- "Musk said Monday that federal entitlements are “a mechanism by which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants by essentially paying them to come here and then turning them into voters.”
Difficulty making payments is a form of sabotage
I didn’t see anything related to making payments, only customer support. So signing up for benefits, changing deposit accounts, etc. Those things can largely be resolved through the SSA’s self-service portal, so there’s a good chance states and charities will step up to fill in the gap.
But it’s still not clear what exactly the changes are. They claim to be targeting “fraud and waste,” but I haven’t seen a breakdown of the tangible changes other than “some offices were closed.” I generally don’t take Musk at his word, and haven’t for years (or even ever), so I’m looking for some credible journalism to go over it in detail. If it was a serious issue, we’d see a ton of highly credible news agencies making a big deal out of it. Given that we don’t, either the investigation is on-going (this was pretty recent) or it’s not an issue.
So I guess we’ll have to wait and see what the impact is. So far, it doesn’t seem like there have been any major impacts yet, other than some more wait times for getting an in-person appointment (which isn’t necessary at all to sign up for benefits).
“Most of the federal spending is entitlements,” Musk told the Fox Business Network. “That’s the big one to eliminate.”
Right, and that requires legislative action which Trump has repeatedly said he’s not going to consider, because that’s political suicide.
"Musk said Monday that federal entitlements are “a mechanism by which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants by essentially paying them to come here and then turning them into voters.”
That’s not how any of this works, and Musk knows it. To get SS, you need to have a Social Security number, which you can’t get on many legal visas, not to mention entering illegally. You also need proof of 40 quarters of paying into Social Security, meaning you need to have legally paid taxes for 10 years (non-consecutively). Voting is also constitutionally limited to citizens, not even permanent residents, so there’s absolutely no basis for that either.
In short, 100% of that statement is wrong. The best explanation for him making it is to justify additional ID checks on the Social Security system, which is honestly probably a good thing due to how much Social Security numbers get abused. So it might end up being a net positive long term, though it’ll cause some issues in the short term as people navigate any changes that get made (esp. poor and tech illiterate people who may not have the resources to navigate it).
I want to make it extremely clear that I’m not a fan of Trump, Musk, or DOGE, I just happen to like some of the side-effects of broken clocks being right twice/day (these changes should mostly go through Congressional approval, not EO).
The quotes are not there for their accuracy, but to illustrate Musk’s outlook and intentions. He sees all entitlements as a bad thing per se and will break whatever norms and rules he can get away with to get rid of them, citing great replacement lies as a justification to the far right and citing “efficiency” as a sop to the less-far-right. Whether he can get away with it remains to be seen, but my original comment was an off-the-cuff “Musk is trying to destroy social security”, not a detailed argument about what has happened so far. I think, given the experience of so many other government agencies with Musk and DOGE, that this is a fair statement for casual posting.
to be fair i think this is pretty par for the course for people in general. not caring until things affect you directly.
Yes…
But what this shows is that even for those who want an evil system that benefits them, this administration is a disaster. There’s literally nothing good about it, even for greedy, evil capitalists.
You’re just now realizing people are selfish assholes? 2016 wasn’t proof enough somehow?
First world countries in a nutshell
“Run the country like a business!”
Hires CEO who ruined every business he ever touched.
This fascist bankrupted a casino.
It’s too late. Can’t trust him again.
If only there were signs before hand. 🙄
Well yeah all that terrible shit happened, but now it’s
eaffecting ME!Edit: Grammar bee hard
Affecting. (Sorry)
(not sorry)
*iffecting
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Dammit, it was right in front of me the whole time.
I’m sticking with complify as the opposite of simplify though
Why you always gotta go and make things so complified…
feckin’
if ffecting, proceed to nearest trash can. if not ffecting, proceed to terminal.
The effect of the oligarch’s mishandling of our economy are affecting the performance of our retirement investments.
I personally have a hard time defining/explaining words, except through an example.
Appreciate it!
There’s no way anyone could have predicted this
I had this exact conversation with my MIL just yesterday. She voted for him, and she hit me with “This is so unexpected”. I told her no, no it wasn’t, everyone who was paying attention saw this coming a mile away, nothing could be more predictable.
How did she respond?
She is an immigrant and not particularly well informed politically. I went on to explain the predictable cycle of Republican presidents leading to market crashes which the wealthy use to buy up assets for cheap, and indicated to Project 2025 which was published well in advance of the election. She seemed to respond as if I had given her valid information that she lacked before (which wasn’t really the case, we’d talked about this well before November). But she didn’t really have any pushback or response, she mostly seemed quiet and contemplative.
Nevermind the fact the he straight campaigned of levying tariffs on everyone, as well as crashing the economy to “correct” it. I’ve brought it up to a few trumpets over the weekend and they just keep saying how they thought he was joking to own the libs?!???
If I could strike any phrase from the human lexicon, it would be ”owning the libs” or any variation with similar meaning and/or intent.
Yeah we get it, you’re so petty that you don’t give a goddamned what happens to anyone (including yourselves), so long as you get to sit on your high horse laughing like Nelson from The Simpsons. Congrats. Now go away.
Well, I suppose that’s a good thing.
They will have forgotten all of this by next week, when the US is invading Greenland
Yeah, like maybe telling everybody he was going to do this if he were elected.
Ironically a politician who is true to their word. 🤢
He says it like it is, but I promise, you’re looking waaay too much into what he says !
On one hand I’m happy he’s changed his opinion… On another how the fuck do you have two functioning brain cells and vote for this shit stain to begin with… 😡
