I get that it looks risky, but I don’t really see a problem here. The platform is in undisturbed water, no waves, no sudden changes. If the platform is strong enough, which it seems to be to me, it will not easily tip over.
I’ve worked on a few lifts like that, and if you manage to tip one over I can only say that you were either really stupid or you were trying to do it. All the weight is at the bottom. They are very stable.
The only way to make them fall over is if your floor is not level while driving. Driving is out of the question in this picture, and as long as both guys stay in the fork lift the center of gravity will not change much.
So the platform will not move, the lift will not move, basically they are fine.
If something was to happen you’re fucked though.
And different solutions are available. I’ve personally been in a different lift that had an arm so the lift would be a the side of the pool and the part where I was standing was elevated above the water. That probably would be a better solution, if you have enough space to get one of those lifts in.
How are they going to get out of the lift and how will they get the lift off fhe mattress?
If they have to get out of the lift, it is at it’s lowest position. That means all the weight is in the middle of the platform and the weight of 2 man will not be enough to make the platform flip over.
They will have to jump to the side I suppose. Just step off. Maybe the can even paddle the platform around, I imagine there is at least one piece of rope to manipulate the platform when there is nobody on it.
The lift will go off, the same way it came on. Probably some sort of crane. I cannot imagine they just drove it on there, but maybe they did. Maybe even a forklift with long forks. There are forklifts that could probably handle that kind of weight so far away on the forks.
This is the type of thing that I look at say this can’t possibly work, and the engineer beside me will look at me a little confused and say this can’t possibly fail. Sure enough they’re usually right. Usually. I still won’t be climbing on there.
Well, it’s always best to listen to the little voice inside, especially if it says “I might just die here”. I completely understand why you would not be climbing on that.
Make sure you have all your PPE.
Hard hat ✔️ Safety glasses ✔️ Swimmies ✔️
If it works, it’s not hybris, is it?
You say it’s working but they haven’t yet gotten back out of the lift nor have they gotten the lift back out of the water.
If it’s stupid and it works, it’s not stupid.
It’s the thought that counts.
Trust them. They’re engineers.
With epic skill and epic gear.
Lol, they’re wearing hard hats correctly. No, there are no engineers in this image.
If they had a short pole underwater in the middle of the belly of floating platform then it would be more stable than my 95 yo granny at 3 am on her way to the toilet
No idea how it works exactly but the sailing boats have it so to not capsize easily or at all. It actually takes great deal effort to crash the sailing boat on its side, these fuckers can go 90 degrees under heavy wind and still come back like a spring though no promise the people will be still onboard.
It’s kind of fun actually to sail almost 90 degrees on the side but scary.
those sailing boat keels are lead-filled (at least at the bottom) and hydrodynamic so that the force of the running water pushes it back to center. it’s a lot easier to capsize a boat like that when it’s not moving.
There are centreboards (not lead-filled) that use the movement of the boat to counteract leeward drift and there are are lead-filled keels that in addition to that also act as a counterweight to reduce rolling. If it’s lead-filled it’ll be hard to capsize, if it’s just a centreboard you can easily capsize it if it’s not moving (and use the centreboard as a lever to recover it afterwards).
Maybe so but a boat isn’t submerged flatly like the square span of this floaty thing on the picture. If it also had some pole thingy underwater we can’t see then I wouldn’t be surprised people felt ok climbing this machinery
Additionally if it’s like filled with air, empty inside, then it would be really hard to capsize this thing at all because of how it refuses to sink from any corner or side
It’s not as dramatic as it looks is my point, looks funny but actually it’s probably pretty safe because we under appreciate the lifting force of floaty shit filled with air. Boats need to be hydrodynamic so they are naturally more prone to shenanigans like a barrel on the water would be but this square thing is dedicated to sole task of not capsizing with great resistance to being submerged at any point of itself
It ain’t stupid if it works
Unless it’s this
“If it’s stupid but works, it wasn’t stupid” doesn’t apply to safety or security.
Well no one died the first 3 times
Maxim 43: If it’s stupid and it works, it’s still stupid and you’re lucky.
You forgot the bylaw: if you strap it down, tuck on the straps and in unison say “yup, that’s not going anywhere”, then your project can’t fail.
They did strap the lift to the flotation device. So long as they remembered the sacred incantation, it’s no longer stupid, reckless, or an OSHA violation.
OSHA moment
see also
The OP is “just” reckless overconfidence. This is defiance against god.
… which is the definition of hubris :p
I cannot for the life of me understand how someone could willingly boars one of those monstrosities
They’re a vacation where everything is taken care of for you. Find a spot, read a book, get all the drinks you want. Need food? Walk over to the chosen food place. Even with thousands of people on board, you can generally find a quiet spot with drinks.
There’s all-inclusive resorts, yes, and I’ve found they’re generally more expensive than cruises. If you make your resort hotel float, it’s cheaper. I don’t know why.
I’d only go anymore if it’s a trip that would show things you generally can’t see other ways, such as the coast of Alaska or Norway, or going through the Panama Canal. Caribbean cruises are an absolute waste.
There’s all-inclusive resorts, yes, and I’ve found they’re generally more expensive than cruises. If you make your resort hotel float, it’s cheaper. I don’t know why.
Because you can get away with following very few regulations if you’re in international waters, and pollute the shit out of the environment. Cruises are horrible, environmentally speaking.
My wife’s family loves cruises. I have made it very clear that I am morally opposed and will not join them on one, but her mom has tried to schedule a cruise as a family vacation anyway at least twice. I think she now finally understands I’m not going to be convinced by being told how much fun they are, after I outright said, “I understand they’re awesome, I’m sure I would love it, but I am not going to support that industry and its practices.”
At one point I honestly think she thought if she just got it scheduled and everyone else was onboard I’d come along. Fortunately she never got that far.
(I promise she’s actually a pretty cool person, I love my mother-in-law very much, but she can be stubborn.)
there is absolutely nothing i find appealing about going to a theme park that’s been crammed onto a boat and being surrounded by rich tourists and screaming kids. and of course someone picks up some exotic flu strain on an excursion and now the entire ship is sick.
thanks, but i’ll pass
Not even just exotic. They’re known for being germ vectors, in general.
I’ve been invited on a few cruises.
I was in the navy, and immediately launch into a tirade about how top heavy and unsafe those things are.
“Well it’s never been a problem for us”
Okie dokie, I took statistics, so hard pass all the same :)
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A masterpiece!
oh my god first ever recorded event of ASCII art in lemmy
Wtf why are you commenting in braille?
Spaces makes foolls of us all.
How are they supposed to read that if they’re blind, smh
With their fingers. Why do you think we invented touch screens.
Because computers were horny
Apart from the terrible environmental effects, they’re a blast. I’m not in for slides and shit, but the full experience is generally really enjoyable. If you like to travel, it’s also a good way to trial destinations before committing to a long vacation somewhere.
What is enjoyable about a floating, overcrowded shopping center that makes you seasick?
What’s wrong with floating? The boats are huge. Unless it’s rough seas, you don’t know that you’re on water.
All of the shipping centers are in lower floors dedicated to shopping. Don’t want to buy anything? Just don’t go to floor 7, it’s that easy to avoid. If you get seasick, then maybe cruises aren’t for you, but motion sickness medicine is available for those that do have the ailment. If pulled off the side of a catamaran in Hawaii, which is when I found out that I do get motion sickness. That’s never been an issue in a cruise for me. Again, they are so large, it’s like not being on a boat at all.
All of you arguments stem down to, “why would someone go on a trip that they don’t want to go on?” The answer is, don’t, but there are a ton of reasons that people do. I don’t go to casinos and gamble, because they’re dirty and I don’t like gambling.
Skill issue
you guys can afford these things?
A week long cruise can be had all in for less than a couple thousand bucks. Not the cheapest vacation, but not the most expensive. One can spend way more depending on the room and any extras spent.
Trial what destinations exactly? Arrive at Island port. Hecklers everywhere. Arrive at next Island. More hecklers. Rinse and repeat.
“Damn, I had a blast!”
I’m telling you, a Euro-trip on rail will net you more adventure and better pacing with vastly more interesting destination. Possibly even comfort, if you take sleeper trains.
I’m hoping they’ll ban these cruise ships from the Mediterranean altogether.
Dunno what you mean with hecklers but you arrive at a part, tour the city, go eat somewhere, you know, spend time in the destination city and then you move on.
You don’t have time though. They typically only stay there for a day.
That’s plenty of time for a quick visit though?
What you explained is what I’d expect someone who’s never been on a cruise before to describe a cruise. Sure, there’s hecklers at the port immediately off the boat. Walk out of that area and it goes away, like every tourist destination.
Most cruise stops that I’ve been on have been around 8 hours, which is ample time to experience a bit of a location. I have only been on two cruises, so I’m by no means a seasoned traveler.
Unfortunately, the Caribbean doesn’t have a rail system between the islands, so boating is the main option. While most cruises aren’t luxury, and to get a suite is $$$, they are comfortable rides, almost assuredly more comfortable than a train, barring rough seas, which I’ve experienced once, and it wasn’t that bad. They are slower than trains, but they have a dozen floors, 100 bars, pools, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things. I have enjoyed some of my at seas days more than some stops. Finally, vastly more interesting destinations is extremely subjective. There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
I’m not going to argue you least point. Like I first mentioned, they’re terrible for the environment. All of my words above are just in response to, “why would anyone get one one of these”, not to defend the existence of cruises.
What is a heckler? Like the people who interrupt stand ups? I went on two cruises with my family when I was a kid. And I can assure you the only stand-up anyone experiences is on the ship in between ports.
I think they’re referring to hawkers, or people on the streets harassing you to buy something. I don’t know why everyone here is calling them hecklers and not confused by that.
And coming from a well off family, why is it wrong for me to buy stuff?
Not saying that is the argument you’re making/defending. Just don’t see a problem with helping people out.
It’s all about the attitude you have going into the trip, my friend. There will be hecklers wherever you go, if you set your mind to look for them.
Including Lemmy.
I’d be concerned about the tusks, myself
To crowded for me.
Cruises would be pretty interesting if once out at sea they released 30 wild boar.
What about 50 of them? Or perhaps some number between those two numbers, inclusively?
Depends, are the passengers permitted to bring assault-style rifles with high-capacity magazines?
They’d probably drown fairly quickly though. Unless they were Saltwater Boar.
Because they’re fun.
Says someone with no anxiety disorder or awareness of the ecological harm they wreak
Look at those water slides
It’s not just willingly, people pay an exorbitant amount for the “privilege”…
…that’s not AI generated, is it?
That looks to me like a drawing by the design/architecture team, but there is a real boat like that and it’s a pretty close match for the design. Here’s a video with drone footage from the launch; 1:39 you can see a view kinda similar to the drawing.
Okay but
can it be fake please
That’s cool as hell and I’d love to get on it tbh.
ezdock is amazingly stable. This is still really stupid but not as completely as it seems.
Yeah, the surface area and buoyancy are serious. The lift is well balanced and designed not to tip over on a very small base.
I think, unless they’ve got some decent magic trick the biggest worry would be getting it on there in the first place. Maybe they crain it on there…
Could’ve sworn there was like an OSHA memes comm this would’ve been good for but can’t find it now
Given that’s now my field, why haven’t I started that comm?! I’ll get on it.
Link it when you’ve made it
That is designed for that.
Right, each time I see this picture pop up, it’s like the words barge and dredging don’t exist. Like this thing is seen as some damn cast away raft or some shit. This is fine. It’s just different.
If you showed a picture of a standard tower crane to someone with a decent understanding of physics but had never seen one before, they would similarly recoil and go “WTF why are you suspending a bunch of concrete blocks high in the sky on what looks like a pencil thin beam!” and it would take some explaining, OR it would take seeing it regularly for that person to become okay with it.
People don’t see this every day, so they don’t take it for granted, and therefore it looks insane. Just like tower cranes look insane.
Looks like it’s going to pick up Seattle’s Space Needle. Quite insane. /c/confusingperspective
This sketchy looking thing is safe, therefore all sketchy looking things are safe.
Some
WDYM?
what does dredging have to do with this?
Barges also typically don’t carry tall tipping over things with people on top, and are less flexible than this plastic thing.
I’m familiar with both of those words. Ok also familiar with the idea of a lever-arm, and this one is too long for my sense of safety.
Most of the weight is at the bottom and you have to have the center of mass go outside of the base to tip over.
The ez dock base is more flexible than say, concrete.
The centre of mass of the lift only needs to go outside the base of the lift, not the dock.
In the sense that something designed to carry 8,000lbs can probably actually handle 10,000lbs? Or in the sense that if they both died insurance would still pay out?
The floats are EZDocks, each with a carrying capacity of 3,000lbs, total capacity is 12,000lbs.
The lift is a JLG 3246es, which has a weight of less than 5,000lbs.
What if the lift tips over?
In order for something to tip over, the center of mass has to move outside the area of the base and most of the weight is in the bottom part of the lift. So it is basically impossible without actively trying to tip it over.
It’s only “basically impossible” if it’s on a firm platform. If it’s on a gimbal, like a plastic floating thing, then you don’t really now where the tipping point is going to be because it depends on the flexibility of the platform.
Probably why the bottom is also anchored to the floating work surface. This implementation looks like exactly what you’re supposed to do. There’s lots of pearl clutching for some reason.
Safe work sites aren’t “pearl clutching”.
Who says this is exactly what you’re supposed to do?
If you’re ever working at height and you think it’s safer without a harness so you’re not killed to death by whatever you’re standing on it’s probably a good time to reassess.
those blocks are not that flexible*
never seen them at festivals or some such?
they’re much stiffer than they appear at first glance!
*if they’re properly linked
Any flexibility will change the physics.
Guaranteed the specs on that lift say it can only be operated on the ground.
Guaranteed the specs on that dock say it’s not suitable for supporting anything at any height.
They might get wet?
Uh, sure. You might also fall on the concrete walk way around the pool, or on the lift, or the lift might fall on you, or any number of things.
Yes.
Life insurance wouldn’t be the problem. The problem would be if they lived and were injured. That would be a work comp nightmare. Just imagining getting that call is giving me a headache.
Okay, you go on and test it for us then
grabs popcorn
I have done way sketchier shit than that. That is like a 4/10.
This you?
That’s like a 2/10. He has 3 points of contact.
I mean, you can see in the picture it’s being done successfully…
box with image of successfully built backyard grill
homer, lowering the image to reveal his monstrosity
…but, did it work?
Well, it did until it didn’t
Trick is to finish the job before it starts didn’t-ing
I can’t imagine OSHA would approve this
One has to wonder. They have the equipment, someone saw fit to buy and and then use it.
Yeah. But if its crazy but it works then its not crazy. Having said that there is no fucking way I would board the fail barge there.
If it’s stupid but it works, it’s still stupid, and you’re lucky.
It just isn’t worth the risk. A scaffold could be built in ~30 minutes ( an hour tops) with almost no risk at all. I’ve worked at a facility with many tanks of water over 90k gallons each and we never would have pulled a stunt like that. Most had a permanent catwalk to service utilities above like lighting and plumbing.
The only issue is they aren’t wearing harnesses in case they fall off.
The other issue is when I chuck a stupendous peg-leg bombie next to their aqua-franken-scissor-tower.
Surfs up mfs.
Given they are suspended over water, it may actually be better to not have the harness. If the whole thing were to tip the harness could get tangled and keep someone trapped under water.
I for one, if you paid me enough to get on that thing would want to be able to nope away from it as fast as possible.
It’s ok, i see at least one hardhat
They’ll still have a brain to enjoy the quadrapeligia with
Ok I’ll take this as my opportunity to rant about a pet peeve.
Wearing a harness in this style of elevating work platform is more dangerous than not wearing one, and having a requirement to do so is part of what’s wrong with work health and safety.
The only way someone falls out of this, beyond mechanical failure or tipping, is if they lean so far over the railing they fall out of it.
If I need to wear a harness in this, you need to wear one whenever you walk next to a balcony.
I am a paramedic for more than 2 decades now,but work in an office most days now. I have cared for (and in 2 cases declared death on scene) more people than I have fingers who fell off these. Besides two, neither of them was responsible for the fall.
2 cases of a hydraulic rupture (which leads to the platform going down fast and uneven. The harness is also meant to keep you close to the platform so you don’t fall in between the elements.) 1 being raised stupidly,pushing a load onto their coworker(that was DOA) 1 fall due to being hit by a coworker with a part (DOA after 7m faceplant) And a fair share of units being hit by forklifts, trucks or similar things.
… OSHA rules are written in blood. And often the victims are not the ones who caused it.
What? At any job I’ve had you’d be required to harness into something on the ceiling. So if the lift gave out, you’d just dangle there until you got rescued.
Nobody is going accidentally bump your balcony with a forklift or any other equipment.
Wouldn’t it be better for them to be wearing life jackets instead?
That looks like fun.
If dying is your thing I guess…
