As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.
The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California’s university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.
In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.
“Maybe it’s time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump,” Newsom said.
I’m not mad at this at all I’m thrilled a politician is actually fighting back. He has a history of standing up against trump and the gop status quo
That said this is the first time there is any bite to it and the cynic/realist in me is saying it’s cause he is gearing up for presidential nomination and election. I really hope he is not the Democrat choice.
if the good wife/fight taught me anything the democrats already have someone picked out and priming public for itI just wish we had Bernie i wanna see that timline :'(
I want the timeline where Carter won a second term and the Christian nationalists funding Reagan realized their plan didn’t work and give up on it.
I’m not a fan of Newsom, but get it dude.
How much does the state government of California actually pay to the federal government? When we hear these things about states that pay more in federal taxes than they receive aren’t we normally talking about the individuals and businesses filing their federal taxes and then some of that getting back to the state? Most of this isn’t State money going to the feds. It’s the state money of the individuals within the state sending in money.
What taxes is the state collecting and then sending to the feds? At the state stops paying but the individuals keep paying then doesn’t really make any difference? Are individuals going to risk going to prison for federal tax evasion?
In a shocking twist rural Californian conservatives now want to pay federal taxes.
If blue states were to band together and do this, it would bankrupt Trump’s fascist federal government pretty quickly. Maybe a blue state Articles of Confederation is in order.
California, Oregon, and Washington are all donor states that contribute a combined ~$160 billion more to the federal government than they get back each year. They also make up $3.1 trillion of the GDP, they have all mainland west coast ports, and they’re major agricultural states. They’d honestly be better off if they banded together to Bugs Bunny off.
Fucking do it. I’ll cum buckets.
I don’t think there’s really a way to do this, since federal taxes are paid directly to the fed without state involvement. This is just to poke the bear, which I am all for.
The hypothetical way to do it is severely penalize companies within California that pay federal tax. Make it so financially burdonsome they have to relocate or stop paying federal tax of their own accord. This is just what’s been suggested before when this has come up.
Companies, no. But the state employs a lot of people.
Still, the feds will come after the individuals, not the state.
And county, and cities
Good. Keep poking until he has a heart attack. If he recovers, rinse and repeat until we get it right.
I’m all for it too, but keep in mind that successors to dictators are never better; only worse. It only ever gets worse.
~Hide your kids. Hide your couch!~
Yeah but there seems to be something about this fucking guy. I don’t think his successor will have the same draw.
Yeah, given his history and it’s pretty fair to assume Trump doesn’t know that
I thought you were going to talk about the physical improbability of cumming buckets.
Be sure to hydrate if you do.
It’ll be like a firehose connected to a main
I don’t think I want a bucket coming out if that particular hole.
Sounds painful.
Prude.
Holy fucking shit. I’m amazed, I was just saying the other day that this would eventually get into this point. Didn’t think it’d be this week
Fascism only has one speed: Blitzkrieg.
Any other speed would be slow enough for people to have enough time to band together and organize a resistance to this horseshit.
That’s literally the only playbook. Break everything: Go fast. Hit people with so much horseshit they are still stuck trying to process the one from 2 weeks ago, because since then 5 other constitutional crisis’ have happened and now they’re deporting both of your neighbors.
That’s not really the case, though. This rise of fascism has been building for decades now. It’s been a slow, steady, drip drip drip. Perhaps not so noticeable except from the outside - Americans are embedded in a pervasive atmosphere of propaganda. The Republicans have been getting more and more authoritarian over the years, more and more extreme, and the Democrats have been letting them. It’s been more than four years since the last violent coup attempt, after all, and those were the same people behind this play.
It’s not progressing fast. You just haven’t noticed its progress until now, when it’s nearly done.
We’re not talking about the rise of fascism. It took decades for that to ferment in Germany and Italy as well.
We’re talking about when they seize power. Then they make their move.
We’re talking about the powergrab of fascists once they’ve laid the groundwork.
That’s the part they need to move lightning fast to achieve a result, before resistance can organize against them. That’s the part in history we’re at right now.
Tom8to, tom@to, IMO. The “groundwork-laying” is also a process of seizing power, there just aren’t quite so many guns going bang.
I think it could be just tom@o
You say tom8o tom@o, I say tom8to tom@to.
A better way to describe it is logistic growth. It reaches a certain tipping point, accelerates to the maximum rate, then slowly slowing down to some sort of equilibrium.
More people really ought to read Against The Fascist Creep.
America has been fascist since the early 1910s, busting unions and putting capital first. Then Banana Republics were formed because democracy got in the way. And then half of Africa was invaded with American bases and money in an effort to bring the scattered oil fields under American corporate control. And India lost tens of thousands of lives to an American corporate disaster and no one could challenge the super military force guaranteeing popular democracy around the world (except where people actually heeled business interests).
America has been a fascist superpower for over a century. It’s professional name is neoliberalism.
At this rate they’ll be deploying the Marines to LA’s streets by July!
Um aren’t they doing this now?
It is, sorry - I am making a sardonic joke about how American democracy is collapsing unexpectedly fast
Oops sorry
What is a donor state?
Indeed, cbsnews. What is a “donor state”?
Maybe if you could use that term a few dozen more times, other outlets could pick it up and it would eventually back up into Fox News’ talking points where they’d have to either lie utterly, or risk their viewers’ comprehension that red states take money from blue states. Charity, let’s say. MAGA heads would temporarily be offline.
There is no way Newsom has this much balls. There is no way he could possible be this based.
Right? Golly, I hope he proves me wrong.
I’ve been talking to alot of people about something like this. If CA didn’t pay federal tax, and all of it went to state, CA would make more money. Don’t want to incite insurrection…but I think we could do alright by ourselves if push came to shove.
As someone living in California, I could certainly use some more money… Doesn’t help my employer moved me here then reneged on my proposed salary. It’s very hard to make it here, but ultimately worth it. For me anyhow.
Doesn’t help my employer moved me here then reneged on my proposed salary
Look up “promissory estoppel.”
Holy shit this is immensely helpful for me right now, thank you so much. I actually have a meeting with the CEO this Friday about this while thing. I will be bringing this up. Thank you again, so much.
You may want to have a quick consult phone call with a labor lawyer before then. The company has an HR and legal team they’ve already consulted.
To add to that, just because they have legal council involved doesn’t mean that they’re not in the wrong and know it. You may just need to say the magic words to make them back down and a labor lawyer who understands your case will know what those words are.
You obviously may keep working there if it gets resolved to your satisfaction, so the support of a lawyer will help you play it cool while you negotiate. It’s easier to just be pissed if you know you’re being wronged but don’t have the language to clearly articulate how.
Yeah, but just wait for when King Trump makes California pay tariffs to trade with the remaining states! He’ll bleed CA dry!
Then CA negotiates trade deals with Asia and quits doing business with US altogether.
Don’t forget Canada. It would suck having to ship everything by boat to BC, but at least there wouldn’t be tarrifs anymore
Yeah he’d try, Smartiest Economier he is. interstate trade is generally critical, but a good chunk of agriculture in the U.S.A. is in CA (Powerd by water from the hoover, yes) throw in Silicon valley, Hollywood, and Napa, CA putting tarrifs on the U.S.A. would hurt too, maybe more.
The country will starve in a famine between that and climate change/mass extinction
I feel like the lady in Melancholia
I don’t like Gavin Newsom, but I really hope he does this. It would be so funny 🥲
I’d definently like him a lot more if he did
I won’t be holding my breath, but it would be hilarious.
My guess is that Newsom’s only angle would be to say “on X date, all state employee income tax withholdings will go into escrow.” Thats about a quarter million employees out of 20m people filing for taxes in CA.
Then the state would have to start coding and integrating that new system which - would be a HUGE pain in the ass. And while that was happening, this would likely be getting shut down by the SCOTUS.
Not trying to be a Debby downer for people that want to stick it to Trump. At first glance, it looks like leverage, but when you look closer, you see that Newsom can only control a small piece of the pie.
As Trump has shown, legality doesn’t matter if you can drag out the legislative process long enough. Clearly, California withholding taxes will be struck down by the courts, but the damage will be done if it can be dragged out long enough to disrupt the bond market even further than Taco already has.
also depends how many other states follow suit, if any.
Although some of his shit gets shut down pretty fast. Some of his immigration stuff got put on ice fast by the SOCTUS.
Let’s Fucking Do This
The state government isn’t involved with collecting federal taxes, so how could this be done?
I don’t know how they could implement this across the private sector, but the State of California has a quarter million employees for which they could probably stop sending tax withholdings to the feds.
According to this random site I found Googling, it’s around $230M every month.
They would have employers stop withholding federal taxes.
Do it! Sink this economy! TACO!
