Meatable can transform pluripotent stem cells (PSCs) into high-quality fat and muscle tissue in a record four days, down from eight days, a faster process than any in the industry.
It hasn’t officially been ruled upon by either kosher or halal certification boards yet (although many Jewish and Islamic leaders have expressed differing opinions on the matter), but most lab meat growers very much hope it will be ruled as what is known as “parvere” — or not meat. That is to say, since it didn’t actually come from an animal, it’s not technically meat, it has no blood, wasn’t slaughtered, etc., and, as such is considered more in line with a vegetable or other foodstuff that isn’t milk or meat.
If lab meat is considered in this way, it could clear the way for Kosher and Halal certification as well as for Hindus who do not eat beef, and many others with objections to eating meat for various reasons.
I culture cells for a living.
Not that these are the only ways, but the most common and effective ways to grow cells in the lab is to add either FBS (fetal bovine serum) or BSA (bovine serum albumin) to the culture media.
Currently we don’t mass produce BSA in an animal free manner and FBS is by nature an animal product.
Granted, that the products of one animal may in fact allow manufacturers produce more than enough ‘animal-free meat’ to overcome this but I haven’t seen any numbers.
I’m interested in hearing more about these techniques going forward and in determining if animal-free products can really be produced animal free.
Do you use Fetal Bovine Serum (FBS) to make your meat?
No, for a simple reason: we’re committed to making meat without causing any harm at all to animals. So we’ve developed a production process that doesn’t require FBS.
Unfortunately, I don’t really understand your response.
You talked about one hundred times the suffering. What does that mean? To me, the way animals are held in mass production is completely unethical and there is no way to make it worse… So how do you make the animals suffer even more?
Technically kosher because there’s no cloven hooves?
As a technical Jew I can say that yes, this is technically kosher ^disclaimer: I have no knowledge at all of Jewish custom or scripture^
What
Their mother was Jewish but they haven’t been taught the religion, making them technically Jewish but without any knowledge of Judaism.
He’s a Jew but not Jewish.
Like me.
One is an ethnicity. The other is a religion. It’s easy to get them confused.
He’s Jew-ish
So is everybody here a technical Jew? Like, that’s three of us, and this isn’t a huge community.
I’m Brian, and so is my wife.
Brian is an interesting name for a woman. Then again, my brother Steven married a man named Stephen.
It’s from “Life of Brian”, and somewhat related to Jewish identity. Here’s the referenced scene - recommend the whole movie if you’ve never seen it.
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4SYc_flMnMQ
Good for Steven and Stephen, and wish them every happiness.
I’m reasonably certain I wouldn’t count. As far as I know there were no Jews (by ethnicity) in my family for the last couple hundred years.
I do, however, count as a Native American, specifically I’m ¹/16th Lakota.
Ahhhhh this makes more sense, thanks for clarifying!
Bingo 👍👌
They’re a theoretical Jew like Einstein was a theoretical physicist.
New judaism lore dropped
But is it considered cannon?
They’re not technically kosher. Nor halal.
NOT YET
It hasn’t officially been ruled upon by either kosher or halal certification boards yet (although many Jewish and Islamic leaders have expressed differing opinions on the matter), but most lab meat growers very much hope it will be ruled as what is known as “parvere” — or not meat. That is to say, since it didn’t actually come from an animal, it’s not technically meat, it has no blood, wasn’t slaughtered, etc., and, as such is considered more in line with a vegetable or other foodstuff that isn’t milk or meat.
If lab meat is considered in this way, it could clear the way for Kosher and Halal certification as well as for Hindus who do not eat beef, and many others with objections to eating meat for various reasons.
That’s fucking wild.
We live in a brave New World, adjudicated by a very old and blind one
Imagine if the next big Abrahamic schism comes over wether or not lab grown meat is halal/kosher or not.
While the Christians cry over whether it’s “woke”.
The mere mention of stem cells will rustle all the Christian Jimmies.
I culture cells for a living. Not that these are the only ways, but the most common and effective ways to grow cells in the lab is to add either FBS (fetal bovine serum) or BSA (bovine serum albumin) to the culture media. Currently we don’t mass produce BSA in an animal free manner and FBS is by nature an animal product. Granted, that the products of one animal may in fact allow manufacturers produce more than enough ‘animal-free meat’ to overcome this but I haven’t seen any numbers. I’m interested in hearing more about these techniques going forward and in determining if animal-free products can really be produced animal free.
That’s what they say.
Where did you read this? Could you link a source please?
https://meatable.com/faq/
Bottom of the page
A man of culture I see
Relatable.
What if it requires 1/1000th the number of animals … but each one suffers a hundred times more?
Would it be worth it?
How do you quantify suffering?
If you don’t have a way of quantifying suffering, perhaps all utilitarian calculus is bunk?
Unfortunately, I don’t really understand your response.
You talked about one hundred times the suffering. What does that mean? To me, the way animals are held in mass production is completely unethical and there is no way to make it worse… So how do you make the animals suffer even more?
stem cells can suffer? this isn’t cloning an animal, it’s cloning certain tissues.
Hence the word “if” here. A hypothetical scenario.
From a utilitarian perspective, you’re still reducing overall suffering by an order of magnitude, so your scenario is still a greater good.
This assumes a linear value function of course
Sorry, this is all my addled GenX brain could think of when I read that.
https://youtu.be/GIuZSaqse-A
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Asking the real questions!
Yes, very Kosher.
source: porky the pig