At this point they’re actively hostile to all American Institutions that keeps them in check and are also actively hostile to the population itself. Trump’s previous Term was comparatively tame and even if he won in 2020 it would’ve been tamer than this. This is pretty much war being waged against the working class by the rich.
Do these people believe that they’ll be able to assert total control of all government institutions by 2028? Or is it some form of fascist self destruction ritual? Because right now even the chuds are having second thoughts about their party.
I still contend that Donald Trump is a fucking idiot. Therefore he has surrounded himself with sycophants instead of anyone of any intellectual value; let alone, of moral merit, or ethical principles. Because sycophants also tend to be incredibly stupid. There’s not a lot “there”, when it comes to Donald Trump’s game plan. The Republican party is made up of opportunists and true believers in a conservative project, vehemently opposed to civil rights, as advanced from 1930s - 1973; with the culmination of Civil Rights and Roe v. Wade. And I say conservative, but it’s really white supremacist, anti-communist, christo-facists. Because Conservatives operate on ideology, rather than dialectical thinking, or if they do, they are amoral and evil people, protected from their own policies – they do not give a shit. Their goals are directly opposed to equality, fairness, justice, and mercy and they ignore material conditions; therefore they are acting in extremely cruel and offensive ways. Because of how polarized society has gotten, Republicans/conservatives/racists just hang out and talk to other racists; there’s not a modicum of moderating influence on them. So they are, to quote Zizek, “eating out of the trashcan of ideology” only with other members of their in-group. They are at the slop trough, thinking it a banquet. What does this mean? The previously moderating influence of both big tent parties, made of disparate interest groups allowing for disagreement and moderating output, has fallen apart with the polarization of society, and the normalizing of extremes. Most republicans will agree with each other, either genuinely or out of fear of losing their job, in-group privileges, or network. The ultimate game plan is anarcho-capitalism and libertarian ideology with a mixture of anti-immigration natalism, all shades of white supremacy, or Fascism, really. The federal government and its power is a direct byproduct of, first, the civil war and reconstruction, and – almost 80 years later – the civil rights period, which has used Federal power and its superseding of state rights to (badly) protect American citizenship.
Because we are reaching several terminal crises at the same time: political, economic, geopolitically, and environmentally. The cultivation of anti-communist (fascist) forces and their ascendancy since 1950s. The ever declining rate of profit. The decline of unipolarity and shift of global hegemony to China; Man-made global warming and climate change. The conservative project which has been steadily chipping away at American values and Federal Power has finally reached its zenith, peak Conservatism, in the form of Donald Trump. They have control of the Supreme Court, House of Rep, and the White House. They know how unpopular all of their actions are, so they’ve taken to this rapid flooding of the zone, violent crackdowns, and contentious and standoffish relationships with the courts, as a way to repress opposition. They are trying really hard to avoid a repeat of the resistance, trying to overwhelm and repress the populace and the institutions that can, and were, of value when forming a resistance to Donald Trump in 2016: Academia, the Press, local organizations, unions, protected federal employees, the courts, etc.
Do they believe they’ll assert total control of the government? I don’t think so, which is why I think the repression around the upcoming mid-term will be a true test of whatever remains of liberal values. If America makes it to 2026 mid-terms, I am 50% sure Donald Trump is going to lose the Senate and House. I am also sure he is going to test the limits of voting intimidation, voting crackdowns, federal election manipulation, and other insane maneuvers that will be so obviously crooked and corrupt, that the country will explode – if it doesn’t explode this summer, I honestly don’t think this shit is sustainable.
Do these people believe that they’ll be able to assert total control of all government institutions by 2028? Or is it some form of fascist self destruction ritual? Because right now even the chuds are having second thoughts about their party.
The fascist, white supremacist project in America, is to have just enough government to enact brutal crackdown on progressive movements and forces within the contiguous United States. Milton Friedman, Murray Rothbard, Friedman’s son, the Kochs, evangelicals, and hundreds of other conservative “thought leaders” invested in libertarian and anarcho-capitalist ideology as a way to destroy progressive, and contradictory, wing of the U.S government, which concerned itself with welfare and civil rights. Fascism is also a highly self-contradictory ideological formation, and in my own observations, and for lack of a better word, a death cult. It aims at destroying everyone it deems the other, and therefore, its believers end up also destroying themselves.
“There’s copper in them there walls!”
This “stripping coper from the walls” phrase - a friend of mine was a recreational diver that did a lot of diving in the Great Lakes. He’d mention how off the sheer underwater cliffs of Lake Superior there are clean veins of pure copper he could see. There is some buzz of reopening the copper mines up north now that technology has evolved a century later.
i dont know how this is a mystery. You have money, privilege, and delusion coming from a single sector of the empowered elite they exalt power and their own ideas of strength, they’re disgusted by what they perceive as weakness, and for a lot of power and control reasons they want womens rights rolled back, they want social life policed so strongly that it doesnt make sense to tolerate queer or any kind of deviant-from-norm lifestyles. They consider true knowlege and understanding to be a threat and an expression of power, and as such they want the average person to be significantly more ignorant. They want kids to work because if you can start young, you can raise a person to basically be their job - which under a fascist view can range from early exposure to corporate life for the privileged, to really fucked up shit like, in tandem with rolling womens rights back, the earlier you can condition them to their assigned role, the less likely they are to want to break out of it.
They want us more atomized and dumber, for the sake of control. They want the privileged to be highly specialized and locked in, too busy striving to survive to make trouble. They want a world where the weak die and the bonds that tie us together need not cross paths with anything like empathy or compassion
these people are psychopaths. There’s a reason these freaks all worship Odin and exalt their half baked ideas of norse identity. There’s a reason they’re willing to tear all this shit down. Their view of a climate collapse world is one where only the strong need be bothered to allow survival.
These folks have always been around, but since being rebuked in WW2 they’ve spent decades acquiring more wealth, more power, and making sure that they have credible smokescreens. The pageantry of 20th century fascism will start a fight, so they trade in confusion, illusion, and ignorance, rather than WWE-esque shows of strength. JSOC instead of the SS. the death camps made even more remote
it’s the same worldview and it’s the same money and it’s the same basic bullshit, but with more obfuscation, and more concessions to the fact we live in a world where they can’t pretend their ideas of elite excellence or whatever is localized to a single culture or skin color.
Ooh this makes me mad. It almost feels like if revolution doesn’t happen soon people will become so broken they won’t have the will to revolt. I remember reading in one of the Dune about methods of preventing revolution including making sure the people have no hope of things ever changing, no hope that they can escape. It really feels like the Torment Nexus meme; they just saw the worst things in fiction and were like, “Let’s do that!”
They are Nazis, They do nazi shit. It’s not gonna make sense and looking at it through that lens is not going to help you understand it.
Are you on their side? No? Well, then you are the enemy. Any and all measures are acceptable to defeat your enemy. But also, nazis are loser cowards and so they won’t just go all the way immediately. No, they will just escalate more and more over time, as the circle of who is an ally shrinks. People okay with deporting criminals now, may not be okay with it any more when the definition of criminal gets changed later and then they too must be purged, but by the now more draconian measures. Repeat until it’s defeated, or defeats itself.
I’m less and less convinced there is one. Sure, there was one. There were actually many! Libertarian think tanks have been brainstorming ways to cut the federal government down to the military for decades, the theocrats have been working on their Dominion theory, the war hawks have been planning their wars against Iran and China, but the people calling the shots have no idea what they’re doing. They’re just acting out the most dumbed-down versions of those factions’ propaganda because that’s where their comprehension meets its limits. The entire edifice is becoming increasingly unmoored from reality and they’re all busy acting out their fever dreams in real life. It’s pure nihilism; destroy for destruction’s sake. And it’ll continue until it hits a resource constraint; until there’s a crisis because the ports are empty or the market finally crashes because the smart money’s done ripping the copper out of the walls and needs foreign safe havens to escape to, or someone’s itchy trigger finger starts a conflict that the country cannot win, and that’s when gravity’ll kick back in and everyone will feel the empty air beneath their feet and the scrambling will start.
There were actually many!
I think this is the key. Previous admins were all reined in by the directives of the deep state (which is a thing, if you can get over the left/right synonym game). But the deep state is faltering, both from internal contradictions and from Trump’s administration which has campaigned on an anti-swamp platform. That’s opened the floodgates for all sorts of new agendas. Deep state/neocon solidarity has been replaced with a free-for-all. Let a hundred flowers bloom and all that.
Except Trump is a weak ruler, and he’s surrounded himself with scheming viziers. Each of them has their own agenda that they want to implement. Each thinks that they can get what they want if they gain Trump’s favor. Trump is not mentally prepared for this. It’s not that he’s necessarily senile, and it’s not that he’s unused to the attention. Rather, the game being played is just way over his head. He’s a reality TV huckster, not a geopolitical grand strategist.
But I would caution against confusing executive branch gridlock with sheer incompetence. The Trump admin is not a monolith. Some of the people around Trump are quite competent. Miran and Bessent stand out as especially dangerous. If either of them manage to consolidate power, there could be trouble.
The thing about the scheming viziers is that I don’t think any of them are capable of ruling. The whole thing seems to be held together by Trump’s - for lack of a better term - charisma, and even Elon Musk, who seems to be somehow managing the same trick at Tesla, can’t match it. And, given the way that Trump changes his mind so often, if anyone with an actual agenda wants to fully implement it, they’ll have to get him out of the way, but then they won’t be able to fill the vacuum.
No, I don’t think so. I think that by the end of his term, if he makes it that long, Trump will basically just be a figurehead. A triumvirate of Bessent, Miran, and Vance would be more than capable of ruling. White House reporting already makes it clear that Trump’s wishy-washiness on tariffs has basically depended on whether he spends the day talking to Navarro (cuckoo Gordon Chang type guy) or Bessent. At the same time, the deep state and Wall Street are both looking for a steady hand at the helm, which Trump isn’t right now.
Allegedly, Elon’s departure from the WH is due to an argument with Bessent. If that does turn out to be the case, it wouldn’t surprise me if the deep state and Wall street throw their weight behind Bessent, who then allies with Vance to rope in the Tech Right. Elon could be a wildcard that either falls in line or splits with the rest of the Tech right. Wouldn’t be surprised if in a year we see tweets calling him “CCP Elon”.
Yeah it was the case in 2016 also that Trump just listens to the last person he’s talked to. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bessent comes out on top. I’ve already seen him portrayed as “the adult in the room,” especially after this recent spat with Musk.
Any idea what wing he represents? I know he worked for a hedge fund. I don’t think of him as one of the Thiel-backed tech bros though
It doesn’t fucking matter what they do, there’s simply no one who is going to stop them, the more they break the less likely it is for any opposition to actually form. They’re three steps ahead of us, even if they themselves don’t know it.
Destroying every institution is a necessary part of rebuilding it the way they want.
They are simply embracing a fact that the Liberals are too cowardly to even discuss. The sclerotic republic is dead, and the constitution is not worth the paper it is written on. It has been dead for a while. Blatantly violating the Bill of Rights has been a cliche for the past 25 years, but it isn’t just the Bill of Rights. Powers vested in Congress by the constitution, like the power to declare war, or the power of the purse, have been delegated to the Executive in various ways for the better part of a century. Elections have been stolen outright by the judiciary. The entire elected government is immune from public pressure.
Events like Covid and the Gaza Genocide have demonstrated there is nothing stopping them from deliberately killing millions of people. What is the point of pretending any more? It’s a waste of time.
I feel like “Destroying every institution” is giving them too much credit. These institutions were all withered carcasses to begin with. Bush v. Gore was 25 years ago. The Republicans stole a presidential election and the Democrat’s response was to LET IT HAPPEN because fighting it would be too divisive. From there we get the Global War on Terror and the Patriot Act, and that is the high water mark. Those policies were never reversed. Nobody responsible suffered personal consequences, let alone political or criminal consequences. These institutions have had the blood drained out of them for a while. They are finally being dispensed with.
Zoomed in a little bit more from the “these institutions were already dead” diatribe, there are practical implications for doing this. There is little motivation for migrants to make court appearances in municipal / state courts if the feds will just use that as a honeypot to arrest and deport them. This effectively turns them into fugitives, “justifying” their arrest and deportation at a later time. It is a policy crafted with the deliberate intent to boost “gang” behavior (creating underground networks of “justice,” patronage, and bribery) by ensuring no legal recourses are available for any dispute whatsoever.
The Republicans stole a presidential election and the Democrat’s response was to LET IT HAPPEN because fighting it would be too divisive. From there we get the Global War on Terror and the Patriot Act, and that is the high water mark. Those policies were never reversed. Nobody responsible suffered personal consequences, let alone political or criminal consequences.
This right here. Anybody who tries to downplay the tectonic significance of these events is either stupid or lying.
Seeing the current reality requires viewing history not as a series of discreet disconnected events but a continuum with each new event born from the previous. On some level the democrats understand that holding the republicans accountable would necessitate holding themselves complicit.
And by marketing their desire to “let bygones be bygones” as some gesture toward institutional stability and legitimacy (while actually deflecting from their own collaboration) they have done more harm to institutional legitimacy than the republicans ever could manage alone.
Really, it goes back to Nixon, and Gerald Ford’s pardon. A general pardon for crimes which may or may not have happened, so don’t worry about the actual crimes which took place and don’t bother investigating what happened because as a matter of law, they’re moot. From that moment, there was impunity. Issues of consequential importance for the republic DON’T FUCKING MATTER. Death to America.
But of course, it wasn’t all the napalm he rained on Vietnam that got him impeached. It was some DNC after-hours skullduggery.
True, which explains why the liberals bought into the narrative of Russiagate and the theater of Mueller Reports and all that bullshit, which was a farcical mirror of the Clinton (both of them) hearings about Libya and blowjobs. They really thought it might work but the whole Nixon debacle proved it was toothless spectacle, even when they tried going after some domestic side crime instead of the massive criminal actions taken by default as a president of empire.
The “success” of Watergate was actually huge poison pill. It got Nixon to resign and appeared to work. But the subsequent pardon and the vector (some domestic skullduggery, to borrow your word) ensured that the business as usual of killing countless innocents abroad would forever remain beyond reproach.
Marg bar, you know, the thing.
I don’t like Naomi Klein’s anti-China brainworms so I’m gonna skip that section, but I’m reading The Shock Doctrine right now and it really does seem like this is the plan - to shock, destroy, and rebuild. Shock Doctrine is what neoliberal America imposed on so much of the world, so this really is an example what’s learned in the periphery coming home to the core.
Steal as much money as possible. It is always the plan.
Do I look like a man with a plan?
It’s the 90s and you’re a business ghoul trying to claw your way up to entrench yourself further and claw your way up above your peers. You shop around for fringe ideologues whose ideas would end up advancing your position, and invest some money to get them into into think tanks, advertising firms, talk shows, and the like. The reach of broadcast media explodes, the industry expands and everyone who got in early rises to the top, including your useful idiots. The propaganda industry gets better at its job, and you’re still listening to the TV. You bought these messages because they were convenient to you, but they’re so good at their job now that they’ve convinced you too. You’re now a true believer in whatever nonsense was tactically convenient to you 30 years ago.
(As fun as this narrative is, I’d like to point out that adding more details makes a story less likely to be true while making it sound more likely to be true.)
If you’re a reader, Check out Jane Mayer’s Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right.
I would also recommend Democracy in Chains: The Deep History of the Radical Right’s Stealth Plan for America by Nancy MacLean and Listen, Liberal: Or Whatever Happened to the Party of the People by Thomas Frank.
there’s different camps, and party lines imo has nothing to do with it. the neoliberal types (more and more modern AI techbro fucks) want to privatize functions of the government for themselves. others just want to right-wing libertarian destroy everything that rich people don’t need.
they forgot about the “riot tax” but they’ll be reminded soon enough the more and more they squeeze people.
don’t ever forget too: the Clinton administration destroyed welfare more than any administration ever. hell, the senate democrats voted for the house republican’s spending bill just last month.
Top policymakers are very much aware of the riot tax, in fact, the argument could be made that the current administration was propelled into power by popular resentment. Their strategy, as evidenced by the trade war, is to outsource the rioting to other countries.
Because right now even the chuds are having second thoughts about their party
no they’re not
Some of them are mad about the economy because it personally affects them and this surpasses their glee of sending immigrants to concentration camps.
i’m surrounded by chuds at work and while i don’t see any active anger they are very quiet and shell-shocked these days. vacant stares and uncertainty.
there is no boasting or even discussion. they’ve basically become apolitical.
i personally love when they shut the fuck up for a second.
Tell them you’re going to send ICE to their house.
As crackers, they’ll be quite confused, but just remind them that ICE go wherever they receive tips for and no longer need warrants to go doorkicking while smiling
i’m actually worried this is going to become the new SWATing because of how easy it will be
obviously if they find anything “illegal” circumstantially well whoopsie the door is already opened and the residents detained so they’ll just call local cops to charge you
and every household in this nation has a potential felony waiting inside. every single one.
and while i don’t see any active anger they are very quiet and shell-shocked these days. vacant stares and uncertainty.
can you elaborate more on this
what were they like before?
more willing to push MAGA stuff or be emboldened to talk about it unprompted. These aren’t ideologically committed people, though. generic dont tread on me country folk
more upbeat/hopeful about Trump/MAGA and now just disengaged completely, don’t want to talk about it.
great, and good.
great things will happen soon
You’ve just described the core constituency of the Democratic Party
It looks like the heritage foundation finally got their way. Trump was always just about Trump, I don’t think he had any interest in the heritage foundation before. After his term and all the ways he was blocked from getting what he wanted they must have convinced him that having their “project 2025” would help Trump get what he wanted. Like Steve Bannon has said, “he’s an empty vessel” and I think the heritage foundation is using him as such to get their way.
From what I understand it’s the heritage foundations plan for an autocratic pro-corporate theocracy, the tech bro “network state” scum have their own plans, but Trump just wants to enrich himself and play with his little ego. Being dictator suits him just fine. As for “Republicans” they’re dead. This is the heritage foundation/tech bro/ MAGA government and I’m sure we’re going to see an increase in their attempts to make the next election irrelevant. The Reich always wins with ~30% support and I think MAGA news networks can maintain that especially if any opposition is neutered and media is more deeply controlled as the FCC seems more than willing to carry out.
These American institutions keeping them in check are also fundamentally liberal-reactionary institutions that should not be defended by leftists. Attacking Harvard and Columbia and higher ed/research funding does suck for many reasons but it’s not an attack on “the working class” by any stretch of the imagination. Nor is firing government bureaucrats. The only admin actions that really constitute attacks on the working class are the ongoing attempts to destroy the NIH and the postal service as well as the trade war. Even then, it’s not as clear cut as “rich vs. poor”. Hedge fund managers and MNCs have been some of the most vocal opponents of the trade war so far. Many of those opposing the university and research cuts are highly privileged, at least in terms of social and cultural capital.
Peter Turchin predicted all of this. It’s elite overproduction and intra-elite conflict to a t. Bourgeois solidarity is broken (at least to some degree). That’s how you have a cabinet full of billionaires and mega-multi-millionaires starting beef with other billionaires. On a lower but still important level, you have ideologues like Bannon and Rufo and BAP playing their own roles as counter-elites. When things get bad, the rich don’t hesitate to eat their own. It’s poor people being used as cannon fodder on both sides and poor people suffering the collateral damage.
Barring a geopolitical black swan like Canada invading the US, the Republicans are going to lose in the midterms and probably lose 2028. But it doesn’t matter as the game has fundamentally changed. Intractable polarization, delegitimization of central authority, increasing incidence of stochastic terror, etc. Newsom might win in 2028 but it’ll hardly matter.
Most of what’s coming isn’t Trump’s doing, he’s just the messenger. We started down this path after WWII, Nixon and Reagan stayed the course despite increasing pressure, and Obama put the nail in the coffin.
but it’s not an attack on “the working class” by any stretch of the imagination. Nor is firing government bureaucrats.
The only admin actions that really constitute attacks on the working class are the ongoing attempts to destroy the NIH and the postal service as well as the trade war.
When things get bad, the rich don’t hesitate to eat their own. It’s poor people being used as cannon fodder on both sides and poor people suffering the collateral damage.
You contradict yourself. And how are government ‘beaureacrats’ not part of the working class?
OP is oversimplifying a complex situation. I don’t see any contradiction in my remarks.
Government bureaucrats can be part of the working class, but this depends on your definition of bureaucrat. I wouldn’t consider an NIH scientist to be a bureaucrat, but some would. Most bureaucrats I would consider to be part of the professional managerial class, which should be analyzed separately from the working class due to their reactionary interests.
The working class is comprised of everyone whose relationship with the means of production is at its core selling their labor. That’s it. There’s no reason to split hairs about who’s PMC or not. The fundamental and likely difference between a judge and the clerical worker under that judge is that the judge likely makes enough money and comes from a social background that makes them a shareholder of american capitalism.
Anything more than that and you’ll be talking past each other because you’re thinking of bankers who were turned into department heads and they’ll be thinking of middle income administrators. Meanwhile DOGE is spends its days firing park rangers and such. Dismantling a state institution isn’t good or bad on the condition that its staffed by capitalists or not. It’s good or bad on the basis of the policy that is being attacked. This being the US, everything outside of spending on the military or Israel is under attack.
The PMC are more akin to cops. Their wage is earned through facilitating capitalist governance/violence. A social services worker doesn’t produce a marketable commodity or value for capitalists the same way a waiter or factory worker do—instead they play a role as a relief valve for the contradictions of capitalism.
A social services worker doesn’t produce a marketable commodity or value for capitalists
instead they play a role as a relief valve for the contradictions of capitalism.
You should let the capitalists know this then because what you’re describing does not decribe the system, how capitalists behave or how capitalist governments define policy. If one plays a role as a ‘relief valve for the contradictions of capitalism’, then under capitalism their labour is both desirable and subject to market forces. Capitalist governments absolutely do treat public work as a marketable commodity. No resources are allocated without a calculus behind it, or behind the intent of devaluing the labor as much as is possible.
And, again, being a proletarian is a social class in respects to ownership of the means of production. That’s it. Any more splitting of hairs and soon enough you’ll be claiming that the soup kitchen worker is a PMC akin to cops.
There’s a very strict definition of working class, and even when you stretch the definiton of labor aristocrat, some middle manager at the SSA is not it, and that’s most of the tens of thousands who were fired.
OP is oversimplifying a complex situation.
This is not a complex situation. You said it yourself, ‘When things get bad, the rich don’t hesitate to eat their own. It’s poor people being used as cannon fodder on both sides and poor people suffering the collateral damage.’
That the liberals are so enamored with their checks-and-balances system that they will do absolutely nothing, or at least not realize that they actually need to militarily resist fascism. They just think their aforementioned system will do self-correction and stop MAGA.